Yeah, but telling people who are increasingly dissatisfied with Apple to go buy Android or Microsoft or whatever instead also isn’t helpful.
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There’s evidence of Apple doing things different to attract different customers. The things they do today are to attract today’s customers. For example, they spent NO money in the last year marketing (or manufacturing) the Apple II.
There are certainly some pockets where one may find a past customer that is also a current customer and a future customer, but, in the big financial picture, those that will be future customers (even if they’ve never used or purchased any Apple devices before) are always the highest priority. They always have been, it’s just that future customers used to be mainly past customers, plus a few new ones. Now, half of folks buying iPads and Macs have never used Apple products before.
This indicates that Apple’s doing an admirable job cultivating that “future customer” market. Those that don’t like Apple’s current product mix have just joined the billions per year that don’t purchase Apple products and are unlikely to be “future customers”.
Fair enough? But it's hard to have a discussion when someone isn't willing to support their claim.
Your post serves to prove even further that Tim Cook cares more about shareholders than users. Warren Buffett is a professional investor (a shareholder), not someone known for being a user of Apple products.
Is it less helpful than a hashtag campaign to unseat one of the world's most successful CEOs on a forum that doesn't support hashtags?
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Just look at how beautiful and user-friendly the skeuomorphic design was on all versions of Mac OS X up to 10.9 Mavericks, and on all versions of iOS up to iOS 6. That was due to the vision and leadership of Scott Forstall. Fortune reported that Forstall “Shares Steve Jobs' obsession with detail (keeps a jeweler's loupe in his office to check every pixel on every icon).” (Source linked below.)
Tim Cook doesn’t care about any of that. Cook will gladly cut corners to maximize profits because he prioritizes shareholders more than users.
Forstall would’ve made a far better CEO for users that cared about Apple making the most user-friendly products instead of pleasing shareholders.
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Tim Cook doesn’t care about any of that. Cook will gladly cut corners to maximize profits because he prioritizes shareholders more than users.
Forstall would’ve made a far better CEO for users that cared about Apple making the most user-friendly products instead of pleasing shareholders.
Scott Forstall Profiled as Apple's 'CEO-in-Waiting'
As we noted last September, Fortune's Adam Lashinsky has written a new book entitled Inside Apple: How America's Most Admired -- and...
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How do you think we can compare? How many Apple products have you bought, used, maintained, made a living, for decades?
What is the value of the experience of those who go on to quarters because what matters is the economic aspect (buy securities, not products, it is more useful) or of those who change products every 6 months to speculate? It is as if an earthling thinks he knows the problems of a Martian and vice versa.
Just look at how beautiful and user-friendly the skeuomorphic design was on all versions of Mac OS X up to 10.9 Mavericks, and on all versions of iOS up to iOS 6. That was due to the vision and leadership of Scott Forstall. Fortune reported that he “keeps a jeweler's loupe in his office to check every pixel on every icon”. (Source linked below.)
Forstall would’ve made a far better CEO for users that cared about Apple making the most user-friendly products instead of pleasing shareholders.
Scott Forstall Profiled as Apple's 'CEO-in-Waiting'
As we noted last September, Fortune's Adam Lashinsky has written a new book entitled Inside Apple: How America's Most Admired -- and...
Jobs didn't think so...
I can't say with absolute certainty, obviously, but I suspect that he knew Forstall and Cook better than you do.
@MauiPa your response is brilliant: factual, measured and coherent. This thread and the hate in it is surreal and nonsensical.
Advising someone to choose an alternative to something they are dissatisfied with is actually good advice. This is because it is rational — unlike starting a MR thread calling for (or advocating) the dismissal of arguably the most effective and successful CEO in history .. and expecting that to solve their problem.
The CEO is elected each year by the shareholders who own the company. You get one vote per share. If you dislike the CEO or any other board member, then you can vote for someone else.
This year (2023), the shareholders elected Tim Cook, Arthur Levison, James Bell, Albert Gore Jr., Alex Gorky, Andrea Jung, Monica Lozano, Ronald Sugar, and Susan Wagner.
Shareholders also persuaded the Board to reduce Tim Cook’s pay package by more than 40% and to more closely tie it to the overall performance of the company.
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I'm not the one making the claim. That's exactly what I'm trying to find out. The basis for the comparisons that people are making in this thread.
I choose not to discuss personal information on a public forum.
I have no idea what that means.
There is no such thing as an Apple product today that is 5 years ahead without going into battery service. None.
Considering that for tax reasons in some countries 5 years is the minimum period to go into amortization of the asset it is perfectly understood to whom Apple is coming what: disposable products to disposable consumers.
And you want to demonstrate with financial successes the goodness of the products: the quality of the products is seen by those who work there and you have much longer than a quarter to test the skills and quality of the company.
Do competitors suck? Who cares? I am not a competitor's customer.
What is the replacement time of a consumer Mac laptop or iPad? Does it come at 3 years old? The company would be satisfied if it were 24-30 months.
What is the replacement time of a professional Mac laptop or iPad? Does it reach 4 years old? The company would be satisfied if it were 36-42 months old.
The iPhone battery loses 1% charge per month, in 12 months it is 88%, in less than 2 years (which in some states is the warranty period) it is to be replaced, why? At what price? At such a price that those who want to keep it for two years and more must subscribe to AppleCare.
iOS 15 (but it's like that for every release) released in October (because then you have to see when the new products are really in the hands of customers) in April had reduced its execution, its speed, by 10% on the iPhone 13 (mini, Pro, Pro Max), which was the iPhone presented 6 months earlier, the last available. In 2 larger releases how much does the device slow down? Why?
Not to mention the glued products, iPad, Apple Watch, AirPods, Pencil, where to replace the battery means to replace the product, again AppleCare otherwise it is better to buy the new one, why?
This is the healthy company, which dominates the market, let alone the unhealthy ones.
Considering that for tax reasons in some countries 5 years is the minimum period to go into amortization of the asset it is perfectly understood to whom Apple is coming what: disposable products to disposable consumers.
And you want to demonstrate with financial successes the goodness of the products: the quality of the products is seen by those who work there and you have much longer than a quarter to test the skills and quality of the company.
Do competitors suck? Who cares? I am not a competitor's customer.
What is the replacement time of a consumer Mac laptop or iPad? Does it come at 3 years old? The company would be satisfied if it were 24-30 months.
What is the replacement time of a professional Mac laptop or iPad? Does it reach 4 years old? The company would be satisfied if it were 36-42 months old.
The iPhone battery loses 1% charge per month, in 12 months it is 88%, in less than 2 years (which in some states is the warranty period) it is to be replaced, why? At what price? At such a price that those who want to keep it for two years and more must subscribe to AppleCare.
iOS 15 (but it's like that for every release) released in October (because then you have to see when the new products are really in the hands of customers) in April had reduced its execution, its speed, by 10% on the iPhone 13 (mini, Pro, Pro Max), which was the iPhone presented 6 months earlier, the last available. In 2 larger releases how much does the device slow down? Why?
Not to mention the glued products, iPad, Apple Watch, AirPods, Pencil, where to replace the battery means to replace the product, again AppleCare otherwise it is better to buy the new one, why?
This is the healthy company, which dominates the market, let alone the unhealthy ones.
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Why do you think this is a democracy? It is a corporation. He makes them money.
Except changing one personnel member isn't going to change all of your gripes. Sweeping changes like that would take a lot of people working together and a lot of time.
One person at the very top of the chain of command can change all that. Steve Jobs had that kind of power and he exercised it. Tim Cook delegates too much and just lets subordinates make decisions as long as profits are maximized.
Yes, TC should take greater care when making those batteries, if he wants to keep his job. Is he even washing his hands?
Kidding aside, this is not an Apple problem. All manufacturers that use lithium-ion batteries have this issue. These things are good for 500-1000 recharge cycles, or thereabouts. Under certain use patterns or environmental conditions this can be a lot less. When devices need charging every other day… – you do the math.
This is a problem for Apple when its sw gets worse with each release making devices slower and more energy-intensive for no real reason other than planned obsolescence. But Apple has a patch: it sells you the insurance contract!
Yes, satire is what it must be.
Tim Cook has been doing a wonderful job, guiding Apple to record valuations and bringing product design decisions more into balance with user demand and engineering capability.
If anything, the company has grown too diverse in its quest for profit and is trying to compete on too many fronts.
Tim Cook has been doing a wonderful job, guiding Apple to record valuations and bringing product design decisions more into balance with user demand and engineering capability.
If anything, the company has grown too diverse in its quest for profit and is trying to compete on too many fronts.
Cause the CEO develops the software and hardware and is responsible for battery drain and bugs. You know they use their own stuff too, right?
I'm kind of new to the Apple space, joining in early 2020. I can confidently say that Apple played a big role in my life. I am now a developer working on apps for Apple devices with Swift mostly. I have encountered bugs or flaws or whatever you're upset about, but they didn't bother me and didn't affect my workflow at all. I'm not sure how much more splendid and innovative was Apple before Cook but in my eyes he's doing quite a good job. I personally see it this way and you're allowed to think differently (pun intended).
For me, Apple under Tim Cook looks quite good. And also posting this on one small forum won't get Cook's or any executive's attention and NOTHING will happen.
For me, Apple under Tim Cook looks quite good. And also posting this on one small forum won't get Cook's or any executive's attention and NOTHING will happen.
Yikes, if true! This definitely keeps me on the Apple bandwagon for years to come—even though a lot of folks say Apple doesn’t protect privacy any more than the Googles, Microsofts & Amazons.
Part of this argument of old Jobs’ Apple is people like me miss the innovation and excitement Apple design once had with new pieces introduced into the tech world, both with software and hardware. And let’s not forget about the ”just one more thing” punchline during keynotes. Now when I watch keynotes, I keep thinking how similar Cook sounds to Mr Garrison on South Park—every time! 🤣
Nothing wrong with voicing displeasure on things that aggravate oneself and hoping for irksome problems to be rectified rather than jumping ship!
Call out what bothers us. I’m in full support vs the tired and overused ‘vote with your wallet’ rebuttal. I bet every single one of us in here has a nagging issue with something we use frequently and just wished it was tweaked to perfection instead of buying the competition.
Could the topic be less abrasive? Sure, but the issue at hand still remains important to the OP and, in a great deal of ways, me. I also hope Apple starts to aggressively invigorate excitement back into the fold. Watch a keynote of releases over a decade ago and watch one now. Major difference and vibe altogether!
Are Apple products better overall now? Probably. As mentioned earlier, Apple Silicon is a game-changer most people won’t even realize to appreciate. But it still doesn’t remove the overall aura Apple innovation has been somewhat stagnant and uninteresting, especially as of late.
And yet... people still consume what they don't like and try to make us eat their garbage. You can live without all of these things, but people will display their full dependence on it. You win the Internet on this day!
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Go ahead and get going with this one, chief. I'll just be sitting here and laughing.
